XL Foundation pressure selling in Melbourne Australia
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Yesterday we received an alert from Natalia that Roger Hamilton has begun selling the infamous XL Results Foundation Life Memberships in Melbourne Australia at breakfast meetings around the city. Roger Hamilton is charging A$15,500 and those attending were told that membership are ’strictly limited’. Well, those limited spots are on sale in major cities every day of the week, so I think the only thing in short supply is the number of people willing to pay up.
If you signed up and realised your mistake after leaving the meeting, you are not alone. The presentation is designed to lead you to pay up on the promise that you will be entering an ethical organisation. You will be told that members refer valuable business among themselves, and everybody can be trusted. Sounds great? In fact, one of the guests in Melbourne was David Schirmer, a scammer of monumental proportions – he is a target of investigation by the Australian Securities Investment Commission (ASIC). He is also currently being taken to court by investors who were duped into investing in his Life Success Pacific Rim company with the promise of returns as high as 500 per cent. The investors lost everything while Schirmer continues to live in the lap of luxury. If a character like David Schirmer is associated with the ‘Circle of Trust’, hold on to your wallet – very tightly! You can see a video investigation of David Schirmer at Get Rich Slowly – a site full of sound advise and exposes of major scams.
If you are a disgruntled member of the XL Results Foundation, please leave a comment here or if you would like to make contact with others who have been scammed – in confidence – you can email your details to me: flora@brilliant4biz.com.
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Flora,
As XL Results Foundation Melbourne City Manager I am quite surprised at your ill informed comments. I note that you did not say that you had attended the breakfast and so do not have first hand experience as to what occured on that morning.
I am also surprised that, as a promoter of ‘brilliance’ in business, you are prepared to defame David Schirmer without a clear understanding of his business, or involvement with ASIC or XL.
In a world of abundance, there is no need to denegrate others in order to succeed.
Regards
Jeanette
Hi Jeanette
David Schirmer is a discredited ‘teacher’ from the movie, ‘The Secret’ and has been under investigation by Channel 9 in Australia for over a year since investors in his get rich quick scheme complained that their money was lost in his coffers. He promised on air to refund them, and they are still waiting, That is why he is being taken to court. If David Schirmer is part of XL Results then the plot does ndeed thicken.
Flora
I congratulate your persistent digging with XL.
If you haven’t already done so you could connect with Ann Phua, Chairman of a women’s business association in Singapore. She was mentioned in the newspaper regarding XL and co-ordinated 100 complaints from Singaporean’s and the international community against Roger Hamilton and XL Results Foundation.
Her email is: anph@rvmediaworld.com
Jeanette is right on. And Flora, your ‘facts’ are simply not facts at all (other than David Schirmer attended the evening program (as indeed anyone can). He is not an XL Member by the way. Mind you, it just happens that others from The Secret have chosen to be a part of XL but I guess you don’t tar them with the same brush.
If you want the real truth, take a look at resultsfoundation.com and click on the XL Spam Warning in the lower right corner of the site.
By the way, I spoke at length to Ann Phua a year ago when she became involved through a real persistent scammer (it would not surprise me at all if that was the person who responded to your blog above. Mind you, they use so many different aliases it’s difficult to track. Anonymity and false names are easily put up on the web as you know. Notice that ‘ex duped’ gives no real name but an alias. Don’t you find that interesting?) The ‘facts’ you quote about Ann are simply not the whole story. It amazes me (and has for 3 years) how stuff like this can be peddled on the net. Thankfully, respected journalists no longer deal in this. Again, check out the spam warning (there’s a fair bit of reading there including a really interesting court document signed by the person who started all this).
XL around the world (and of course in Australia) has some truly wonderful people doing some great things and making a huge difference to our kids and our planet and many other causes. Let me suggest that that might be worthy of your focus. In fact, it might be worthy of you joining to get on the inside to see what is really happening rather than making assertions that are so easy to make. It’s not quite so easy to make a difference (well actually, that’s not true; it is easy when you focus on the ‘right’ things).
I’m enormously proud of what we’ve achieved (and are achieving) in XL right here in Melbourne, in other cities in Australia and indeed around the world. You might have that same feeling once you seriously do the research.
Thank you for creating a blog that allows me to express that.
Be sure to make your day a great one.
Paul
P.S. if you’d like to call, please do on 0414321153.
http://www.bizop.ca/blog2/complaints-and-investigations/xl-results-foundation/
Paul Dunn would have a lot to lose if XL Results Foundation is exposed as a pyramid scheme. By his own accounts (quoted in the Brisbane Times Newspaper) he has has peddled over 600 memberships.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2007/05/30/1180205312469.html
I wish to clarify a few facts here, as it seems that some of them do not match up. My husband and I personally attended the evening seminar with Roger Hamilton in Melbourne where we saw David Schirmmer. After attending The Breakfast the next morning and signing up as members we phoned Jeanette Jifkins, the Regional Manager for Melbourne to discuss a couple of issues that raised our concerns at the time. One of them was David Schirmer and his association with XL Foundation. Jeanette informed us that David was in fact a member of XL Foundation. Our comments pertinent to his tainted reputation were met with strenuous attempts to defend Mr Schirmer stating that he is counter suing Channel 9 for his irreversibly damaged business.
I further have to state that a number of assertions were made during “The Breakfast” regarding the regional managers and the fact that they know each and every member personally and therefore to be used as introductory medium between members in different cities or countries. So the question here is, whose perception of the facts reflects the truth? Jeanette Jifkins’, the regional manager for Melbourne or Paul Dunn’s, the country manager for Australia.
… and Paul, as I know that one of you would be reading this message, thank you for failing to hang up the phone after our conversation with Roger Hamilton last week, and giving us an insight on your plans to launch a counter blog attack on each and every negative feedback left on every respective site.
On a personal note I wish to add that I have no doubt that there are wonderful people in XL Foundation doing great things in order to change the world, however from what I researched, read and understood it made me believe that they are also being taken advantage of. As for us, we decided to continue doing great things without being associated with XL Foundation.
Paul, be sure to enjoy a wildly wealthy yet another day …
Paul Dunn, I read you were one of the character witnesses for Hamilton in Singapore as well as Daniel Priestley who himself was prosecuted by the Consumer Association of Australia?
I met Daniel Priestly when he presented an SME seminar in Milton Keynes, the fastest growing city in the UK. Daniel’s company is Triumphant Events and is now based in London. There was no Triumphant Event branding in the room whatsoever, it was XL Results Foundation.
There was some interesting information in the seminar and I did learn something that I didn’t know about Face Book. However, the whole day was actually geared to getting people to stay behind afterwards and be offered Life Membership of XL Results Foundation.
It was explained to us that these memberships were a scarce resource nd very few were being offered only to the right people this year. The sales pitch from therefore was that the value of these memberships would rise, not fall because of that scarcity and because it would be more and more widely known that XL Results Foundation was the club to join.
Basically the idea was that although it would cost you US$10,000 that was an absolute bargain because the dollar is weak against the pound so it is really cheap in sterling terms and also because you will always be able to sell it for more than you have paid for it.
I told Daniel that I would need to discuss such a big purchase with my life partner and he then tried to get me to sign the form now so i could confirm it later. That one ‘hard sell’ tactic made me question things and warning bells starting to ring loudly in my mind.
Throughout the day something about Daniel’s style and some of the things he says and the way he says them kept reminding me of something but I couldn’t quite put my finger on it.
When I went home I looked up Daniel on the internet and found his ecademy profile. I am a member of ecademy too. In his profile he proudly boasts his support of a charity called The Hunger Project. As soon as i read that I remembered very clearly where i had seen these tactics used before.
In 1989 I was recruited into the commercial cult then known as The Forum. This was a reincarnation of EST which had been set up by Werner Erhardt whose original name was Jack Rosenberg. The Forum used mind control techniques to extract more and more money from its members and get them deeper and deeper in to the organisation.
The Forum also took money off people for their charity, The Hunger Project. This charity had at the time been widely discredited as a sham. It could not prove what it did with its money.
Now of course I have no idea whether The Hunger Project in 2008 is more honest and genuine than the organisation was in 1989. Cult watchers are still saying that it is a sham but they haven’t shown me any evidence either way. However, if the charity has gone legitimate i would have thought it would have been a very good idea for it to change its name.
My view is that these connections are warnings enough for me and I want nothing to d with these people. I will be staying close to the people I know locally who are involved because I don’t think they realise what they are involved in.
If anybody out there can connect Roger Hamilton to Werner Erhardt or whatever he is called now then that would be the final piece in the jigsaw puzzle.
To Peter in Brisbane, do you actually know what a Pyramid Scheme is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme
by the way Amway is not a Pyramid Scheme, although some MLM’s are.. XL Members are not being paid to recruit new members, joining up new members is not being promoted as how to make money.
btw, I am just a potential member at the moment, I haven’t been scared away by these postings, they are having the opposite effect.
Colin
Pyramid schemes come in all types. If you join XL Results Foundation who do you think gets the commission/recruitment fee? It’s a franchise pyramid scheme just as illegal as any other pyramid scheme.
XL preys on those who are easily manipulated and don’t do due diligence.
Consumer Update – XL Results Foundation collapse
The XL Results Foundation Head Office in Singapore has closed down.
Address: 30 Robinson Road, #02-01, Robinson Towers, SINGAPORE 048546.
Victims of Ponzi Scheme operator Roger Hamilton and the XL Results Foundation scam are advised to contact the Consumer Affairs Department and/or Department of Fair Trade in their respective country.
XL Results Foundation Pte Ltd is owned by a holding company incorporated to a PO Box address in the Republic of Seychelles.